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I don't understand the argument for no age limit on voting. What is the rationale given?
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People under 18 have no reason to vote. They are still controlled by their emotions, have never actually had a life, and are still in school. Voting should be a thing that only wise people should partake in. People under 18 are not wise.
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A literacy test was racist because blacks weren't allowed to have the same education, today that's not true so I wouldn't say that is racist anymore.
Answering the question to whether iq or educational standards should be required is difficult for me to answer as there isn't a fool proof to measure that especially without potential corruption being part of the standard. This is why I think age is in place. It's seen as a reasonable way to measure that a person has a high level of understanding of what they are voting for without large discrimination.
I heard someone in college ask "why doesn't the government just print money and hand it out to everyone". In my opinion they shouldn't have a vote but I don't see an easy way to exclude them.
Things I think we could improve on:
1. You should only get a vote if you pay taxes (assuming everyone has equal opportunity to participate).
2. No one in government positions should be allowed to vote...you shouldn't be allowed to vote to increase your own power.
3. In should be substantially easier for congress to decrease the size of government than to increase its size or regulatory power.
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1. Well I guess it depends on the way a nation's taxes are set up, but at a minimum the taxes citizens are expected to pay in the u.s with a job: income, sales, social security. If you are not contributing to the system I do not see why you should get to vote how the money is spent.
2. I don't think they should be able to vote at all.
3. More of opinion. I agree it is slightly off topic of this thread.
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The age should remain the same. It's voting which should be abolished, because it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference one way or the other. In no way is the present system conducive to any type of choice about how society organises itself or functions. At least, not in places like America and most of Europe.
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Assuming, on the other hand, that a vote is an expression of one's preference, we run into serious logical issues. In what sense can a 1 month old infant have a preference between the Republican and the Democratic party? There is a reason such infants have legal guardians acting on their behalf, rather than doing everything themselves. A 1 month old would have a hard time working a full-time job to support himself, shopping for groceries, cleaning his house, et cetera.
Regarding maturity, do you seriously think that a creature that came out of a womb yesterday can be as mature as a 30 year old adult? What is your definition of "maturity"?
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Putting let's say 5 year olds to vote is really irresponsible. That would lead to powerplay and manipulation. Ofc anyone can be manipulated but children are more easy to manipulate.
The fact remains that someone as young as 5 does not have the same level of understanding that someone aged 25 would have.
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Hello nitwit
Voting should be impossible for those under 18. This is just plain common sense. You wouldn't want some 12-year-old's vote to change an election, it'd be idiotic. Plus, to get the right to vote for them, they'd have to do things like actually be in the military and work, and you know how child labor went, right?
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Freedom is far from scary as a fact / whole truth. It is something without cost and all things as a united state without cost are secure. Liberty can be frightening, calling liberty freedom is not only scary it easily becomes terrorism.
"Bill of Rights."
Describes the introduction of cost of liberty from a zero station of free without cost to liberty which describes all cost after freedom.
Keep in mind a lawyer / legal counsel, a witty and mindful person cannot sell freedom, it is impossible. Why? Is it impossible meaning charging a payment is always negating the principles of freedom the get go. They the people cannot achieve freedom by practices of civil liberties. Not possible. It is a lie.
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You are arguing a grievance set around taxation, inflation of cost (not economic growth inflation) without representation, plus a cost applied to living outside of money related now to Federal Reserve Notes and inheritance of property. Inherited Constitutional Right to Vote, this is the original stander of the Federal voting process constitutional Right as a United State in America. The question being not does a right to vote exist but is the path taken better or for less connection to established justice. Sadly, the answer is clear despite “Civil Rights” no it is not the better connection.
Did Civil Liberty need to be the better connection to established justice as a general welfare concern during its use and introduction? No, it did not. The right to remain silent in any and all grievance between Civil Rights and Civil liberties is set be the entirety of the 1st Amendment held in a united state. Not a partial self-evident truth broken by a practice of law both public and privately, by hired or by self-representation, which is under Constitutional Right by order of Authority in the delivery of all that is "Right."
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For the record. A child under 18 years votes in a chain of command. It is not that they do not vote, the grievance of fact is they have less representation due to the chain of command. Nothing else.
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A variation of this question is how do we best server representation by taxation for people of all ages as a Constitutional Right. How then might the right be written into a well standing law?
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"It went gloriously"
Such perfection, amirite?
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What is that logic there? Keeping children safe from incidents like the picture I showed (Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, 146 casualties) is keeping poor people poor? And also, why force children to work rather than adults for their families? Plus, the reason why child labor was so "successful" was because they could just not pay them at all or pay them very little. Also, most children still do work, just for their families, i.e. chores, so saying they'll grow up "lazy and undisciplined" without child labor is just plain wrong.
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However that's the case in ideal situations, lot's of people have no choice but to send their kids to work, the alternative might mean not being able to feed themselves and their families, it's unfortunate that this is the case but it is none the less, and allowing these people to make a little extra income through their children might help them get out of poverty, or at least make their poverty less extreme would certainly be good.
I was joking in the post where I said that child labor was glorious and the one following that.
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Not sure that 5-year-old children would constitute an effective and rational voting populace. If voting age restrictions were to be abolished, then those with children would essentially get a second hand in the voting system as they heavily influence the voting choices of their children. Children cannot make their own choices, especially around important matters like this, so giving them a vote can only advantage their parents to an unfair level.
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So, you are saying all children hold their parents in a united State of superiority regardless of them being a good or bad parent? In truth there are legal burdens that come as a united state with voting and crimes children are not capable of being charged with in a court of law.
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